I only joined the project a little more then two years ago, so I'm was not personally involved in the start of the CentOS project. Lance is one of the co-founders of the project. I really would like to thank Lance, and the other co-founders, for their work and getting this great project started. But from the time I got involved in the project things have gone from bad to worse with Lance.
Now, I don't know him or what is going on at his end. So I'm only going to report facts here and leave the interpretation of these to you, dear reader.
The first issue is that Lance basically is not actively involved in the project anymore. He attends meetings irregularly. If he was present and was asked certain things, he usually said that he need to look that up or he will do that later. But that never happened. And next to the meetings we do not see or hear from him at all.
The second issue is that Lance has registered the centos.org domain using one of his companies and that the rest of the team has no control of it. He is the only one who can make changes to it. It is not registered to he project itself. He recently even put a anonymiser service on the domain, meaning that people can no longer see the real owner of the domain.
The third issue is that Lance is the only one who has access to the PayPal and Google AdSense accounts that are used on the CentOS websites. This basically means that all money that comes in through those channels went directly to him, not to the project. We again have no control over it.
We repeatably asked Lance for a overview of the finances of the project, but he never showed that to the rest. We have no idea how much money flowed into the project.
These three issues basically means that the project depends to much on one person and that a lot of things are invisible for the project and the community. And this is unacceptable. We need to be transparent and Lance is preventing this. We asked repeatably to correct these things in private. But he never did.
So we, the rest of the team, have said that this was enough. That is why the public letter was made and also why we removed, temporarily, the Google ads and the link to PayPal from the CentOS website.
We still like to make things right and give Lance the change to correct all this and open up. If not we will continue without him and get the project back on track. And yes, this might potentially mean that we loose the centos.org domain and all the money already received by the project through the ads and PayPal. This is also what I regret the most, that money that people have donated, thinking they are helping the project, flowed to 1 person. I sincerely apologize to everyone for this.
The open letter and thoughts of other team members can be found on the following none centos.org sites :
http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2009/07/30/open-letter-to-lance-davis
http://orcorc.blogspot.com/2009/07/sadly-open-letter-to-lance-davis.html
http://lestighaniker.de/2009/07/30#open-letter-to-lance-davis
And I will also reproduce it here for completeness:
July 30, 2009 04:39 UTC
This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers
It is regrettable that we are forced to send this letter but we are left with no other options. For some time now we have been attempting to resolve these problems:
You seem to have crawled into a hole ... and this is not acceptable.
You have long promised a statement of CentOS project funds; to this date this has not appeared.
You hold sole control of the centos.org domain with no deputy; this is not proper.
You have, it seems, sole 'Founders' rights in the IRC channels with no deputy ; this is not proper.
When I (Russ) try to call the phone numbers for UK Linux, and for you individually, I get a telco intercept 'Lines are temporarily busy' for the last two weeks. Finally yesterday, a voicemail in your voice picked up, and I left a message urgently requesting a reply. Karanbir also reports calling and leaving messages without your reply.
Please do not kill CentOS through your fear of shared management of the project.
Clearly the project dies if all the developers walk away.
Please contact me, or any other signer of this letter at once, to arrange for the required information to keep the project alive at the 'centos.org' domain.
Sincerely,
Russ Herrold
Ralph Angenendt
Karanbir Singh
Jim Perrin
Donavan Nelson
Tim Verhoeven
Tru Huynh
Johnny Hughes
55 comments:
You guys are like little kids who do not know how to play together.
That is the problen with opensource projects, you don't have the sales team, or the "popular" kids telling the nerds how to play.
grow up and play together.
Just an FYI: you wrote, "repeatably", when I believe you meant, "repeatedly".
If he is alone, the project is open source and the only problem is the domain. Group together, take the project on your shoulders and move it to a new domain no? Like newcentos.org .... centos is well known everyone on the web will know it in less than 1 day. Unless there are other legal implications to the brand or something like that, I do not see the problem.
Anonymous #1 = asshole.
Check out Lance Davis' blog. He apparently is bashing :
Russ Herrold
Ralph Angenendt
Karanbir Singh
Jim Perrin
Donavan Nelson
Tim Verhoeven
Tru Huynh
Johnny Hughes
And re-forking CentOS. Apparently the crew that wrote the letter are script kiddies and not real developers. Hopefully Lance can bring CentOS back to what it should be without the infighting.
RE: Lance is Great
What is lance's blog url?
Where is Lance Davis' blog. If he really is bashing all the other CentOS devs, it sounds like he has really lost it.
I made a decent donation to the project; I'm pretty upset it's "gone". There might be some legal implications to hoarding that money.
Well, I don't know Lance, but I do know some of the guys who signed the letter and they are far from "script kiddies" - you need to hang out with them to get to know them. I just hope this is all sorted as most of what these people do is for the passion and on their own time and money.
What you have is a business problem. Set up a non-profit corp, vote yourselves as officers, take legal ownership of the "distribution", then send a legal request to the domain owner to request transfer of the domain to the legal non-profit.
Anonymous #4, give it a rest, Anonymous #1 is not an asshole.
#1 simply demands the same level of integrety and professionalism that corporations exhibit. Say, for example, AIG, Madoff Investment Securities, Countryside Mortgage Company, or any number of well run organizations with exceptionally competent CEOs.
No, A1 iss not an asshole. Simply a troll.
It's a shame that you didn't make it public that the money was going to one person long before now.
All those people who donated, in good faith, while you secretly knew that their money was no going to the project!
«All those people who donated, in good faith, while you secretly knew that their money was no going to the project!»
But I would say that from Lance Davis' point of view, the money was going to the project, a project owned by himself.
If he owns the website, the accounts, the people who are now complaining are in effect just unpaid interns volunteering to work on his property for free.
The money and the control go where they belong to, the owner of the property.
The real issue is not that the owner of the property was quite legitimately receiving the income from the property he owns and controls.
The real issue is that people contributing to or using CentOS were somehow under the impression that it was an open project, not a private property.
It now turns out that CentOS Inc. is a private property like RedHat Inc,, just with a somewhat different revenue model.
I think you may well be wrong that Lance is the "owner" of CentOS. It's more likely that CentOS is, legally, more akin to a partnership albeit one of the worst types possible - where nobody has formalised things properly.
Lance is not, alas, without previous form for such things both in the Open Source world and, prior to that, in business.
It would be interesting to find out exactly "what" has been done to contact Lance and how long indeed he has been MIA.
I have had to deal with "needy developers" that can't function without your voice on the phone at least every few days. Maybee he's on vacation without e-mail? Maybee he's got something going on in his life.
If he's avoiding you there obviously are some problems that are not being discussed. Sending an "open letter" like this with the intent of humiliating him publicly is only going to make matters worse. Many people don't respond well to "power grabs".
Instead of looking at Lance as the problem why not take a good hard look at yourselves. As a CentOS user I certainly don't want to see this project fragment into 5 or 6 obscure and less useful projects when one would have done just fine. Please guys for the sake of the user community work your issues out.
This really reminds me of the late boxtorrents... they moved to a new doamin and name, so you can guess how the things turned out to be.
I hope it is not so, but especially the refusal to clarify the finances is fishy (idk, maybe in both cases, the admins tried to use the money to get some quick profit and return them before anyone notices but it went wrong... whatever).
To the last two ACs: Please read the fine post as well as the links to the other developer's posts.
They explain everything. Really.
Just about everything in the last two comments are very incorrect, so please inform yourself before posting more non-sense.
I am really very thankful to you because your post is too useful for me.
You know what is funny? Lance is back, everything is almost resolved, yet no one has the balls to post where Lance was, or to appologize for diving off the deap end.
People are fast and ready to bitch, but very slow on admitting wrong doing, or saying sorry.
I really liked your post on home financing! if you have more information elsewhere let me know. Please come visit my site Corpus Christi Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
I really liked your post on home financing! if you have more information elsewhere let me know. Please come visit my site Corpus Christi Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
Yeah it is a great and nice article looking forward to have such article it is so useful. Please come visit my site Plano Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
I am deeply in love with every single piece of information you post here. Will be back often to read more updates! Please come visit my site business ethics definition
when you got time.
This seems like it would be a very interesting blog to keep up with. Please come visit my site good business management
give me any valuable feedbacks.
I found your blog on google and read a few Thanks for the information you mentioned here, I'm looking forward to see your future posts. Cheers !! Please come visit my site New Brunswick Businesses when you got time.
It is very interesting article and quite impressive and more informative and looking forward to read such article. Please come visit my site resorts when you got time.
Since I’m new to blogging, these articles are greatly appreciated; very useful and informative blog and every body must visit this blog. Please come visit my site store give me any valuable feedbacks.
I am not really sure if best practices have emerged around things like that, but I am sure that your great job is clearly identifed. I was wondering if you offer any subscription to your RSS feeds as I would be very interested and can’t find any link to subscribe here. Please come visit my site Local Business Directory Of Anchorage U.S.A. when you got time.
Yeah it is a great and nice article looking forward to have such article it is so useful. Please come visit my site Corpus Christi Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
It is very interesting article and quite impressive and more informative and looking forward to read such article. Please come visit my site Plano Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
right. lol! Thanks for the information you post. Please come visit my site Raleigh Business Directory when you got time.
Me and my friend were arguing about an issue similar to this! Now I know that I was right. lol! Thanks for the information you post. Please come visit my site Milwaukee City Directory when you got time.
I forgot about those! Maybe they look good w/ the right outfit? I didn't like skinny jeans when I first saw them. lol. Please come visit my site hot tub give me any valuable feedbacks.
I'm glad you're back to posting. I love reading about your shopping adventures and great finds. Your outfits are always super cute too! Very inspirational. Please come visit my site watch when you got time.
your stories without out sending us to 5 other sites to complete the story. Please come visit my site Business Phone Directory of Fremont California CA when you got time.
information will be very useful for me. Thanks for all your help and wishing you all the success in your business. Please come visit my site Directory Of Glendale when you got time.
I enjoyed reading your work! GREAT post! I looked around for this… but I found you! Anyway, would you mind if I threw up a backlink from my site? Please come visit my site wholesale when you got time.
As a Newbie, I am always searching online for information that can help me. Thank you. Please come visit my site silk wool cashmere scarves give me any valuable feedbacks.
You may have not intended to do so, but I think you have managed to express the state of mind that a lot of people are in. The sense of wanting to help, but not knowing how or where, is something a lot of us are going through. Please come visit my site San Diego Yellow Page Business Directory when you got time.
You may have not intended to do so, but I think you have managed to express the state of mind that a lot of people are in. The sense of wanting to help, but not knowing how or where, is something a lot of us are going through. Please come visit my site Local Business Directory Of San Diego U.S.A. when you got time.
Very nice information. Thanks for this. Please come visit my site City Guide Denver when you got time.
Very nice information. Thanks for this. Please come visit my site Denver Web Link when you got time.Denver
Get the lates information of Electronics Gadgets Tech gadgets Cool Gadgets New Gadgets Best Gadgets Latest Gadgets Cool New Gadgets</a
CUM! CUM SHOTS! BLOWJOBS! Amateur FACIALS!
We Got Cumshots and BLOWJOBS! Welcome the the Nastiest Cum shotand BLOWJOB Web Site on The Net. The First Spin-off of the very successful Jerker's World, Dickgoo.com promises the same true amateur porn. Taking Homegrown ( the new homade porn) genre to the next levl in 2010. DICK SUCKING, Cum swollowing, Cum eating, Cum Drinking, However you like Your jizz shots Delivered, We Got a Cum load, Amateur blowjobs, Facial Cum Video For You. No Other Sites Trolls Over 30 sites to Bring you the Best %100 Real Amateur Cumshots. Exclusive Facial Cum shots.18 Barely Legal Cum Creampies. Blowjobs you can almost feel for yourself. Facial Cum shot, Dick sucking to cum shot explosions.
I really liked your blog! You have some great content. Check out my blog and give me some feedback Please come visit my site health remedies when you got time.
Well, nice article buddy… Someone will love to read this infor if I tell her about this. She’s really interested in this subject. Thanks again… Please come visit my site baby health guide when you got time.
Beauty Schools And Cosmetology Schools, Beauty Careers and Cosmetology training online guide. Find out how to find the best cosmetologist schools, career and job descriptions of spa therapist, hair designer, makeup artist.cosmetology jobs salaries
Growing Corn, corn plant, corn planting, sweet corn planting basics. sweet corn planting basics
Conservation Environmental, Environmental Protection and Conservation, Environmental Conservancy issues and educational articles.nature conservancy
Online guide for kitchen garden, kitchen herd gardens, vegetable kitchen gardening. From planning, soil test, composting, common vegetables and herbs growing and caring.vegetable kitchen gardening
Hey congrats on the new posting come out
btw i love your blog although i have just stumbled upon it =)
Love the new pictures you got there! Please come visit my site Business Trade Guide of Boston Massachusetts MA when you got time.
Love the new pictures you got there! Please come visit my site Directory Boston City when you got time.
Conservation Environmental, Environmental Protection and Conservation, Environmental Conservancy issues and educational articles.Environmental Protection and Conservation
Potty training tips, baby potty training. Resource guide on how to potty train, potty training for boys and girls.potty train
Oes Tsetnoc one of the ways in which we can learn seo besides Mengembalikan Jati Diri Bangsa. By participating in the Oes Tsetnoc or Mengembalikan Jati Diri Bangsa we can improve our seo skills. To find more information about Oest Tsetnoc please visit my Oes Tsetnoc pages. And to find more information about Mengembalikan Jati Diri Bangsa please visit my Mengembalikan Jati Diri Bangsa pages. Thank you So much.
Oes Tsetnoc | Semangat Mengembalikan Jati Diri Bangsa
Post a Comment